Knockout Craps System

3/31/2022

Blackli0nXX

“Knockout Craps is the only professional level craps system that always works. I am winning $11,000 to $12,000 a week playing at the Black Bear Casino.
Rookie Knock-Out System This unbalanced counting system is a simplified version of the full-blown preferred Knock Out System described in the book Knock-Out Blackjack by Olaf Vancura and Ken Fuchs. You only make two bets with this system, a small bet when you don’t have the edge and a larger bet when the edge swings in your favor.
Silverthorne Publications Craps The Result is a System That Knocks Out the Craps Game! Vern S.If you customarily make many bets in the center section of the craps table, you will be giving the house a huge advantage over you.
This is especially the case if you choose an easy system like the Hi Lo. Online Gold - Knockout Craps! Steiger set up his chips while Andrew acted as the dealer.If you are dreaming about making thousands, then $70 to $80 per game doesn t seem like much? In addition to the plans, you also need a set of tools and the knowledge to use them.

Joey commented on a video about his own craps strategy and if there were any suggestions. So, here is an explanation of The Eldridge System.

Has anyone here had any experience with the Knockout Craps betting system? I've been playing it using bitcoin on online casinos every day for the past few days and haven't lost a session yet. It basically consists of you placing equal bets on the DP and P, then placing odds against the point after it is established while also playing the come and dont come bets. I have only recorded the past few sessions and I will upload the spreadsheet after I fill in more games over the next couple days. The book is available here if you would like to take a look:

endermike

I do not. However, I read enough of that manuscript to know what is going on. It is a scam. Do not use the system to make money over time. Without getting to bogged down, your odds bets will break even in the long run and you will lose money very slowly because of 12s on the come out rolls.
If you want to see simulation results I suggest you summon the goddess of craps sims: MustangSally.
Your personal success stems from using a negative progression in your bet amout. The idea behind a negative progression is that you will trade many small wins for a few extreme losses. You probably have not hit any such losses yet, but when you do it will erase all your profit and probably more. It is not in your best long term interest to use this system. If you want more details, keep posting and we can walk you through it.

RonC

There is a ton of material about how betting systems don't work available here. The house has the advantage on every bet; multiple bets don't change that.

FleaStiff

There is a ton of material about how betting systems don't work ....

The systems do not work so as to make money for the bettor, but the purpose of the OP's system is to make money for his particular casino.

odiousgambit

I hope the book doesn't claim this is a new idea.
Generally it's known as the Doey-Don't. I can sympathize if it looks good to you, when I first saw it a light bulb came on ... 'hey that's ingenious!'
Alas, instead it was counter-intuitively stupid for me and I couldn't see it. Seems obvious now.
That the line bets cancelling each other is obviously profoundly stupid. You'd never place a Pass and Don't Pass at the same time without thinking about the odds, right?
Somehow you start to think, hey, I can play the odds for 'nearly free' by just playing them darkside or rightside, but not both. Unfortunately this has you forgetting that the odds have all the variance anyway and you are just paying more to get there. For the line bets, you have to bet twice as much each hand, in a manner that guarantees a loss on the line.
The idea for this is very old and it is established fact that it is worthless. So worthless that maybe you could download the whole thing for free it seems.

I just realized that 'ingenious' is indeed spelled that way, while 'genius' is properly spelled that way. The etymology explains it

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odiousgambit

The book doesn't scream 'I'm looking for Suckers!' . No, not at all. Not in the least.
Shame on you for thinking that!

RonC

'I loved craps too much to give it up. I didn’t want to give up the crowds cheering my name. That feeling of nearly removing the 7 from the dice was too great to let go. I felt I was letting down all those grateful players that threw money at me during my hot rolls. They had bought me lunch and trips just because I made them lots of money. And now, I wasn’t able to roll enough to break even.'
This is a quote from the website. Another hack dice controller who thinks that he can not only beat the odds but sell the way to beat the odds to others.
If you go out on a limb far enough to believe dice control is possible, what are the odds of actually being good at it? It is almost a professional athlete's level of skill from what I have read of those who claim it possible. Most of us here have never played in NBA, NHL, NFL, or MLB but we do, or did, participate in sports at some level. Realists among us know you can't give someone with high school level talent a professional player's ability.

Tanko

Another hack dice controller who thinks that he can not only beat the odds but sell the way to beat the odds to others.

This betting system does not mention Dice Control.
He starts off with a bet that doubles the HE.
After that, it's all downhill. Pdf

mustangsally

Has anyone here had any experience with the Knockout Craps betting system?

yes. I personally have programmed this in WinCraps to run simulations against actual casino dice rolls and computer dice rolls and do have quite a few files of data.
I hope you are aware that KO Craps is an old system from 2012 and there is another one published from 2013
The Hunter System for Craps
COPYRIGHT © 2013 Silverthorne Publications, Inc.
it uses the Fibonacci, the Marty and a positive progression.
many just LOVE progressions!

Quote: Blackli0nXX

I've been playing it using bitcoin on online casinos every day for the past few days and haven't lost a session yet.

sounds like fun! Are you following the exact procedures and win goal restart points in the pdf?
If so you should win (turn $600 into $700, $5 level I tested) about 80 out of 100 attempts on average before the 'Strong Bet' progression hits a BIG loss and you stop playing that session.
I 'played' over 100,000 sessions

It basically consists of you placing equal bets on the DP and P, then placing odds against the point after it is established while also playing the come and dont come bets. I have only recorded the past few sessions and I will upload the spreadsheet after I fill in more games over the next couple days.

are your sessions ready to be shown?

Knockout Craps System Review

I will then show my data.
Because of the many different variations of how to actually play Ko Craps, I only programmed the first two.

Knockout Craps Strategy

here is the WinCraps code.
Both for Classic and Pro

This is Classic

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Knockout Craps System

a few quick questions for everyone out there bashing betting systems and controlled shooters:
how often to you play craps in a live casino?
what is your betting strategy? (pass line w/ max odds + 2 come bets with max odds) ?
how is that working out for you?
this post is not meant to be sarcastic - just curious

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